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Comment from AnotherAlexChannel
Time February 3, 2010 at 12:59 pm

I’m from Canada and we have health care here. One thing that is not mentioned in this video is the amount that the government and others steal from the system. ALL GOVERNMENTS ARE CORRUPT. Our health care leads to a lack of motivation among hospital staff.

Comment from TenderTrap86
Time February 3, 2010 at 1:04 pm

Major medical procedures are usually performed off shore for about the same 75-90% less. I watched a story about a Canadian lady who couldn’t get an operation in time in her native Canada. She went to America, couldn’t find coverage and it was too expensive out of pocket. So she found a doctor in Thailand who performed the procedure and it cost no more than $9,000. Still a lot of money, but not nearly as much as she would’ve been paying otherwise. She had the operation is is living better now.

Comment from GayTexanCommunist
Time February 3, 2010 at 1:32 pm

@tendertrap -

That’s all good and well. However, what about people who simply don’t have the money to go to the doctor. Period. And what about major medical procedures involving hospital stays?

Comment from Solutionstoourworld
Time February 3, 2010 at 2:15 pm

Government health care may be good but will the premiums still rise? If health care can be a set price without increase.

Comment from TenderTrap86
Time February 3, 2010 at 3:14 pm

Has anyone given much thought to cutting out the middleman?

No government. No insurance industry.

Concierge and boutique doctors charge up 75-90% less for minor procedures because there are no beuracracies or monopolies to contend with.

There is so much fat that can be trimmed. Administration fees, paying employees whose soul job it is to file insurance claims at your doctors office, high malpractice insurance costs, and don’t forget taxes.

Cut out the middleman.

Comment from judoisoww
Time February 3, 2010 at 3:44 pm

yes of course socalism is evil just because it isn’t for profit and focuses on keeping everyone afloat look at sweden yeah sure it’s got very high taxes but the lowest unemployment and the highest quality health care and education system. i’d never move to the states unless i was filthy fucking rich. why is socalism so bad?

Comment from hadenufnow
Time February 3, 2010 at 3:54 pm

Just stop debating & fork over the half million in HC issues I have got going on..
HC Mandate to BUY INSURANCE RULES!
Chumps on left and right need apply…
Too stupid to hang onto your own money preferred…
Thanks chumps….

Comment from jjallison1
Time February 3, 2010 at 4:49 pm

Everyone I know who has been to Europe says that the hospital there is like the DMV here. Stark and institutional.

Comment from jjallison1
Time February 3, 2010 at 5:23 pm

What they gain in cost, they loose in quality and quantity of service.

Not to mention the “public safety” department that they have to deal with. Public safety goes around and tells them what they can and can not do. Their government is constantly making laws that restrict the citizens, all in the name of keeping health care costs down.

One of the biggest reasons why we have higher health care costs here is lifestyle… but that is another debate.

Comment from ismdism
Time February 3, 2010 at 5:41 pm

also this is going nowhere if you wan’t to continue discussing this pm me.

Comment from ismdism
Time February 3, 2010 at 5:48 pm

Yep just look at NHS in England we can see that wait hold on they only pay 8% of their GDP to cover 100% and we pay about 15% to cover less than 30%?! But I mean were covered by private insurance and that comes out to about 5k per person compared to the NHS cost divided by the pop of the UK comes out to a staggering 3,200 per person!?

Comment from jjallison1
Time February 3, 2010 at 6:00 pm

The problem here is that you think that the health care is going to stay the same, or even get better, under socialization. That is not the case. It will cost a lot more, and we will get a lot less.

Just take a look at medicare…. that program constantly costs more and more, while the “beneficiaries” get less and less.

The reason why health care costs so much here is the regulation. Those of us who pay are forced to support those who don’t .

Comment from ismdism
Time February 3, 2010 at 6:25 pm

If its cheaper to change the way its done now I think its worth it. America has one of the most expensive health care systems to cover less. It makes no sense. We have the ability to provide this for our people and I think we should. I also think there should be an option for people like you who want to pay more for private health care can. It just seems like a necessity to me and something that all people should have the right to since it equates to life.

Comment from EducationNation
Time February 3, 2010 at 6:49 pm

GREAT GRAPHICS!!! Government cannot help with Health Care because they don’t know what health or care is. Politics is the Art of Lying, either by commission or omission. Who are the truth seekers and truth tellers that can help? You? Me?

Comment from SkaterKyoto
Time February 3, 2010 at 7:22 pm

Government healthcare ???? Forget that. We want Pokecenters ;]

Comment from Stake2
Time February 3, 2010 at 8:18 pm

Very good video. I think the US should start thinking critically of capitalism again after it was accepted as a truism as a result of the Second World War.

Freedom of the self does not get destroyed by government help. For example, Americans could think of all the creative European minds who have worked even under monarchical rule. This is a burdening idealist (actually Platonic) phantasm Americans should waive from their thinking.

Comment from LLawlietLiberal
Time February 3, 2010 at 9:07 pm

@TehBigToasterReborn

You need serious mental help. Can I be your governmental doctor?

Comment from MicrosoftFails
Time February 3, 2010 at 9:16 pm

@jjallison1

Agreed, and well put.

Comment from jjallison1
Time February 3, 2010 at 9:19 pm

The declaration is talking about the limited civic services like police, and military that government is necessary for. The main idea however, is that government remain a small a possible.

Based on your interpretation, the government is responsible for every aspect of our lives, including food, shelter, etc… not so. The more the government “provides”, the more freedom we loose.

Looks like your just going to have to find a job and take care of yourself my friend. Sorry…

Comment from shess0501
Time February 3, 2010 at 10:05 pm

@shandorejunk – This healthcare bill has little to do with health and has a whole lot to do with establishing a framework for infiltrating gov’t into every aspect of public life. There are so many freedoms that can be taken away in the name of keeping govt healthcare costs down. That is what is going to happen. There will be rashoning. It may not be written in the bill, but there has to be rashoning in order for the system not to go completely backrupt.

Comment from shess0501
Time February 3, 2010 at 10:11 pm

The number of uninsured in this country varies day to day and it depends on who you talk to. Let’s use his number of 46 million. We are going to revamp the entire healthcare system for 46million uninsured people at a price tag of 2.5 trillion? The govt is notoriously bad at managing programs. Why not allow the 46m uninsured to join the same healthcare the govt employees have? Create some regulations to stop what is happening in private healthcare and that’s it.

Comment from ismdism
Time February 3, 2010 at 11:06 pm

So how do the FD and FD become necessary again? “…endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed” That would be from the decleration notice how it says we have the right to life and governments are made to secure those rights? So yea they’re supposed to make sure we have the right to life.

Comment from BeyondLame
Time February 3, 2010 at 11:43 pm

Do any of you know what the NHS in England has done to its patients?

They have denied cancer patients the treatments that would have PROLONGED their lives, if not saving them.

Do a Google search on the NHS. That’s what government healthcare is.

Comment from ff7fanboi
Time February 3, 2010 at 11:58 pm

soo you want your tax dollars to be going to the same people that wait in welfare and the same poeple that live of the government?? please before you call anyone a dumb ass look take a good look in the mirror. Go to fucking canada if you want governement run healthcare so bad CUNT FACED BITCH see i can call names to but does that make me a bigger person??

Comment from jjallison1
Time February 4, 2010 at 12:01 am

You miss my point. My point is that the constitution does not give the government the authority to grant entitlements.

Im glad that you brought up the health care to veterans. That is a glimpse of what we would get under national socialized health care. The reason why the founding fathers were against entitlements is because they can never be sustained, and will lead the country to ruin.